Tiny Desk 2016

Hey folks!
So I just entered NPR’s Tiny Desk Music Contest.
The video I submitted is of course the one above.
The link is – https://youtu.be/9iOEWBJNT6U

Bob Boilen and company of NPR’s All Songs Considered started the contest last year.  In their Washington DC offices they have musicians perform sets at his desk, and they are considered part of the Tiny Desk Concert Series.  Tons of music makers grace this unusual stage.  Sometimes I look for a certain band/singer to see if they’ve done a Tiny Desk Concert because you can’t suck and play a show like that.  Well you can, but your not so goodness will likely come across.  There’s not much to hide behind but the music, standing there in an office.  I remember years ago I kept hearing about this Adele person, maybe you’ve heard of her, and I found her Tiny Desk Concert.  “Oh.  Ok.  I get it.  Yeah she can sing.”
Oh and I love the Sylvan Esso set.  I can’t wait for their next record and to go to one of their shows.  In addition to great music, they’re such great female and male energies for this modern world we live in.  Not to mention they’re dynamic together.  Respect.

So here’s the youtube info with some embellishment, and a note or two at the end.

An unreleased tune of mine.  “Setting Sun” is not exactly your typical pop song material, nor is it a booty shaker but it felt right for the setting, the weather that day, and the season.  Actually a tune I wrote a while ago, “Setting Sun” has gotten a lot of love from people lately, especially when I’m playing on the street.  People are drawn in by the intensity, the vulnerability, the soul bearing I guess.  I a way all those things are all over my music, or so I hear.  Giving respect to the sad songs (though it’s not really sad to me but it may trigger some of that for you).  Or non fluffy songs I could say.  Sometimes the serious side needs a chance in the limelight.

I filmed this on two phones, one resting on the wall opposite me and one on the floor where the teeny tiny desk was at my feet.  That second phone on the ground saved my butt cause the main one didn’t end up capturing the desk in the shot. Phew!  This shell of a building is located on a hill in the Bay Area of California only accessible on foot.  No cars, no full size desks.  One of my favorite spots to hike to when I’m in the area.
This spot is open to the public so this video isn’t evidence of trespass 😉  Outside the walls you can see the Pacific Ocean on one side and the south bay, with planes coming in and out of SFO airport every few minutes.  It’s cool.  I wouldn’t be surprised if it shows up in future vids. Yes, it’s windy, and you can kinda hear that. It was way worse on the outside of those walls.

Thank you Bob, Ben, Rachel and the rest of the crew and judges for giving us all the opportunity to share our music.  Thanks Lagunitas for paying for all this  (they’re the sponsor) and spreading tasty beer across the land.  I remember when Lagunitas was tiny like these desks.  Well, small at least.

Thanks to the friendly faces who said Hi and gave me a little space when they walked up and heard me singing my heart out in this decaying concrete bunker covered in temporary tattoos.  I actually edited out a little outtake from the ultimate video cause I didn’t want to be disqualified for violating the privacy rights of anyone.  I don’t think that it was a privacy violation but I didn’t want to take a chance.  You can see the other version with the 2 second outtake added on my channel here.

Oh, and Thank You to Felicia (or Alicia?) and Nikki from Apple Support who Spent Hours with me on the phone getting the floor cam video off the phone. It was corrupted or something and it wouldn’t come off the phone. Though I’m sure they’ll never read this I couldn’t have entered this video without them. Thank You! You were really cool and we learned a new hack for the problem together.  As I said before, this is the video that saved my butt in terms of showing me actually playing in front of a desk, live.  Giant foot, tiny desk.  It may be a little dorky to say but I was really impressed with my service.  From the first moment I got on the phone with them I believed they were going to work with me until the problem was solved.  We tried all kinds of things before the solution was found.  Of course, once you figure it out, it takes 5-10 minutes but getting there was some work.

Honestly, this isn’t about winning for me.  Oh yes, winning would be the freaking coolest thing ever but it’s really about entering, participating and sharing this heavy song in an interesting setting.  More music for you.  I would love to win, and I think I could, but there’s so much amazing talent out there (thank goodness) and I’m sure a lot of catchy songs being submitted.  I’ve reached you either way.

Man, right now I’m writing from a Peet’s in San Mateo and after going to bed at midnight and waking full of energy at 4:30am I decided to write this up before meeting for breakfast with my Pops.  The most amazing pink red color was cast on the clouds this morning.  Just amazing and worth standing and staring for it’s brief 5 minute life.  Yes I took a photo. But I don’t think it did it justice.  I’ll take another look and maybe it’ll end up on my recently started Instagram.

My show in Mountain View with John Brazell was good times.  There were so many old faces from my past there, including my first best friend, I hadn’t seen since first frikkin’ grade!  Jeeez!  Awesome to catch up.

Lastly, this last Monday was my 6 year anniversary of practicing NSR.  The greatest gift I ever gave to myself.  I can’t say enough so I won’t say anything, for now.

OK. That’s all.
I hope YOU are doing great.
Thanks folks.



As email listers and Facebook fans have already seen, I posted a new video.
A little face time with me for 2015.

Check it out…


Dedicated to Bill Cunningham, the New York Times street fashion photographer.  (Documentary, “Bill Cunningham-New York” streams on Netflix)  The power of a simple life.  He’s not a model for me, rather I saw the film on him and identified a lot with his methods.  The simplicity and practicality, and seeming lack of distraction from what he loves.  The pursuit of beauty, he built his life around.  He sleeps on a bed made from a wooden board stacked on crates.  He doesn’t want to be owned.  He knows that more stuff, more things and adoration will just get in the way of the pursuit of his love, his passion, his creativity.

A tune to perhaps accompany the reading… if that’s the sort of mind you have right now 🙂

Hey there!
So I’m a pretty regular guy I guess.  That said I’ve got some quirks.  Here’s a little something eccentric (or is it practical?) about me that has interested a lot of folks over the years.  I thought I’d write about it.

What’s the last thing you saw me wearing?  For those who’ve met me in person, friends and strangers, the answer would all be the same.  Black pants, plain black  T-shirt.  Maybe a coat, black, and possibly a grey hoodie I acquired a year ago.  All the photos you might see of me reflect this.

That’s it.  For well over 10 years I have never had to choose what pants to wear in the morning.  I have multiple pairs of identical Black Ben Davis pants.  Once those pairs get old enough, err faded enough, I cycle them out and bring in a new generation.

Some new Bens being brought into the fold.

one end belt loop, the other to the keys in my pocket

one end belt loop, the other to the keys in my pocket

I came to choose Ben Davis years ago because one, I like them, and two, they’ve been around for a really long time making the pants virtually the same all this time so I knew it was likely they would be available, unchanged, for a long time to come.   Same goes for shirts.  I’ve got a bunch of generic unbranded black t-shirts, some long sleeve black Ts and that’s it.  Long sleeves come in when the weather requires it.  I’ve got two or three additional layers for weather, as in a hoodie, coat, raincoat, basically all having a specific calling.  This is a bit nerdy but when I get dressed sometimes I have referred to it as “suiting up” for the day.  When I switch from one pair of Bens to the next, each pocket is designated for something specific and the contents are just moved to the respective pocket in the “fresh” pair.  My keys are kept on a quick release mechanism and every pair of pants has it’s own identical clip for my keys to lock into.  Unclip from one, clip into the other.

Its funny when I think about it how this is really just a simple form of practicality for me, and at the same time it represents so much about me.  I didn’t think it was such a big deal, but over the years quite a lot of people have made a big deal out of it.  Never negative, just intrigued I guess.  It’s not like I’m the only one.  I do take it to a higher level then most but it’s a pretty regular thing for people, especially guys, to not put much thought into the day to day outfits.  I just chose one outfit which happens to work in virtually every situation I’m in, and took the thought out of the equation 🙂

One thing I really love is that I never have that, “Doh!  I should have worn that other thing!” if I see someone I want to impress or attract.  This is how I look, that’s pretty much it.  I just gotta make sure my clothes are clean and voila.  Lars, take it or leave it.

I suppose my “uniform” has other aspects too.
Every 2-ish weeks I buzz my hair with clippers 3/8 of an inch.  I recently replaced a pair of clippers I paid $20 for like ten years ago.  Crazy.  I must say on the subject, the ones I replaced them with are unimpressive.  Same brand but maybe they realized they were making them a little too good back then if you know what I mean.

The only truly unique part of what I wear everyday, that no one could buy at a store for themselves, are some handmade custom necklaces that my good friend, and former band mate Jonathan Alden made for me.  Years ago he played bass in a rock trio I was in and when I broke or changed a guitar string in his presence he would ask for the end of it.  For those non guitarists out there, guitar strings have a tiny loop or ring at one end, on the side that is usually within the guitar where you can’t see it.  It anchors the string to the guitar and acts as a starting point for the winding of the string.  He told me to give him all the ends of any string I broke or replaced.  One day, he presented me with a gift.
Necklace Close Up Necklaces on a Bed of Tao Brass rings from ends of strings
A necklace he had made of stones and other natural materials which included the ends of the strings I had given him.  There are a few ends that came from his bass and actually a few from an immensely talented guitarist friend of mine, Chris Devine.  I never wore any sort of accessory up til this point in my life.  I’d made a few attempts to find something but nothing ever clicked.  Honestly at first I was worried I’d feel obligated to wear it but it quickly became a must for me.  Its a little hippy dippy but the personal history and music that has passed “through” these pieces is something I like to carry.  Since then he has made me 2 more, both of which are also made from completely natural components, and having string ends sourced exclusively from my own instruments.  To this day, I save all ends in an envelope and pass them on to Jon when the collection gets big enough.

I have yet to find and settle on a reliable, unchanging shoe I can live in.  It is much more challenging than the other elements I wear.  Long meandering walks are one of my favorite things in life, and a great source and place of inspiration for me.  A few years ago these walks got so long I jokingly told people I had a “walking problem.” I fantasize about having shoes made for me and I can see this becoming a reality some day.  I’d love to have a couple pairs that I can just resole as needed.  One day…

Who knows what the future holds for this uniform of mine.  I could see it being with me into old age.  I can also see it taking a different form.  Since the origins of this are from practicality (and some vanity management no doubt) it would make sense that if another form became more practical for another stage in life, then I am open to that.  For now, my robes are set in this form.

OK.  It may not seem this way, but it feels weird for me to talk about myself like this.  I’m working that out.  I’m a very private person though so I guess it kind of makes sense.

Buskers WagesIn other news, I’ve been exploring different places for street performance in the Bay Area.  Had some good times in San Francisco and have recently been exploring the south bay.  I’ll be heading up to the Northwest for a couple weeks in August hopefully playing for some of you while I’m there.

Take care everyone.  I hope you’re feeling good about your role in this grand life 🙂
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Still Going…

Hello lovely reader.
I’m writing from Dallas, TX on a visit to my sister who lives in the area.
I’ll try to be brief but I wanted y’all to know I’m still alive, still free, and still 100% music man.  I was so ready and rarin’ but I didn’t tie my shoes very well before the marathon and I lost my footing.  There were some things to attend to I hadn’t anticipated.  Good things.  I do apologize for the long time no talk.

branchclouds  cloudfall

First and foremost, as referred to in the previous post, Brendan and I did record a new 7 song collection while I was in Seattle which is on it’s way.  I hope you all like it.
It’s being mastered next week and I’ll tell you when I’m ready to put it out.
Gotta tie them shoes first though 😉

I’ve been taking care of a lot of personal stuff.
Family is important while we have them.  Whether it’s your blood or your chosen family and everything in between.  When I was a younger man I took these things a little for granted.  I have a very small family and each member has had major stuff happen since I last wrote here.  One of the great things about this new chapter of freedom in my life is that I’ve been able to be available to my loved ones when they need me.  I don’t have to worry about keeping my day job so I can pay for the rent on my apartment in another state while I’m gone.  I know that most people can’t do what I’m doing and though I’ve sacrificed a lot to get here, I know I am lucky.  With all the stuff that’s gone on I woulda been screwed.  Either absent for my loved ones or professionally and financially in the toilet.  As schedules for shows get more crowded it will be more of a challenge but still…

personal belongings        tortoise

What else…  This is a big one.  I wanna be open and honest.  I fell in Love and then lost it. Broke my own heart, and probably someone else’s.  The love is there but the relationship is not.  My chest tightens and burns just writing this so I’m gonna leave it at that.  🙁

A few weeks ago I got some much needed solo time camping in the beautiful Santa Cruz area.  Needed to marinate in the coastal beauty.  The moon was out.  The weather was great.  Sunset on the bay brought me to the edge of tears most every night.  I love that area so much.  As a teenager I spent a lot of time around there; great memories.

blue and red       giraffe

Lastly, kind of a random, but I’ll be in Las Vegas soon celebrating with some friends who are renewing their wedding vows.  Congrats to the Nivas!  The group I’ll be hanging with are the same folks I hang with at the Summer Meltdown which I go to every year, and acts as my New Years.  It’s a time to party, release, and reflect on the last 365 days.  Vegas is like the opposite of that natural venue so hanging with these folks there will be a trip.  I’m gonna try my best to treat it like a vacation, unplug from my worries, take a breath, and !freak out! (in a good way).  Then likely a ride up the coast and back to work on the wonderful labors to come.

OK folks….  So much for being brief 😉
Thanks for reading.   Thanks for caring.  Thanks for listening…
I really appreciate you and I look forward to our next hello.
That’s all, for now…
wanna say hi?

Bear Hug the Fear – May 2013

Update from the Road:
It’s been a beautiful few weeks into my new life.
I spent a week in Portland, OR.  I chose this town (where I lived from ’99 to ’01) to set up my touring vehicle with all the required organization for good living.  Nothing fancy, I always keep it simple, just clothes and equipment storage, sleep set up, etc.  The weather was absolutely ridiculously beautiful.  The essence of North Western spring.  I grew up in the Peninsula south of San Francisco which has some pretty heavenly weather year round, but the North West owns this season.  I had some really inspiring experiences busking (street performing) which I hadn’t done in a long while, and just a few hours of work paid for most of my food and drink while I was there.  The students at PSU were particularly inspiring, welcoming and appreciative.  I thank you.

I rolled into my home of the last ten years, Seattle, about a week ago.  Came in to see friends and other important people I hadn’t seen while I was away for 6 months, preparing for what I’m in right now.  Thanks to my good friend Ian for holding the rest of my music gear safely at his place for so long.  Invaluable.

On the subject, I want to say that I am so blessed to have so many great supportive people in my life.  I can’t even begin to list you all.  Though I have always been one to have a very, very small group of people who are close in my life, and I often go through long periods where I am very hard to “access”, my years have grown a pool of great people.  I’m really blessed to have all this love around.
Thank you everyone, you know who you are.
Recently, my good friend Brendan Mills-McCabe took time out of his busy schedule to record some demos of new songs with me at his studio.  Brendan has engineered and co-produced both of my previous “official” releases, “Periscope” and “Follow the Feeling“.  I’ve decided to stay in Seattle a few weeks to record our 3rd record together.  I am so lucky and thankful that Brendan is game.  I am really excited to lay these songs down and share them with you all.  They should be an appropriate accompaniment to the solo performing Lars that I’ll be bringing to your town soon.  A return to the roots I love; voice, guitar, and a good song.  More on that later, but no sooner than the right moment.

In addition to recording this record, the other major piece of adventure on my plate is booking the first legs of my indefinite tour.  In bigger cities it’ll likely be small clubs, and in smaller towns, cafes.  Hopefully some nice intimate house shows in there too.  As my longer time fans know, I can play according to the room and I am so looking forward to playing in all these contexts; not to mention for more new faces than ever before in my life.  I’m a little nervous about doing it “right” but I’m gonna Bear Hug the Fear and jump through the awkward hoops to begin.  If you have any particular spots you think I should play let me know, or even better if you know a booker there, let them know about me.  Anywhere in the West Coast states since they’re my current comfort zone.

Anyway.  Thanks for reading.
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…I must say that it’s good to be alive.
Questions? Comments. Wanna offer help. Just write me.
Until later,

One Thing Leads to Another…

Got my bedroom on wheels… a.k.a. cargo van…
12+ Luxurious Years as a non-driver, Living within Walking/Riding distance to Work, have Come and Gone.
Now my job is on the road.
Everything in it’s right place and time… 🙂
See you soon…

Time Moves on Without You… Which is Good…

“Time moves on without me, thank god ’cause I’ll catch up”


Hello Beautiful People!
I’ve been away from the internet as you may have noticed.
Last fall I shed most of the responsibilities of my old life, to put time into my family and set the stage for a full time music career.  No more B.S. folks…  No pain no gain.  It’s about to get really real in my world.  It’s fantastic and scary and HELLA F’IN AWESOME!!!

I will be away for a while longer but hopefully soon my Entertainers Visa on Earth will be valid for a long while.  I’m applying for residency now.  Bless you all who have wondered and/or sent messages of love.  I Miss You and look forward to seeing you at My Shows and other great moments to come.  Perhaps we can sit under a tree and have a nice conversation.  It’s gonna be a beautiful summer.

Take care and please don’t be discouraged if I can’t say hello/or respond to you online just yet.  I’ll be back as soon as I can…
P.S. Thanks to my sister for getting me to update and say hello to you all while I’m in town.

“…Cause I Got Nothin to Lose”

Hey there folks.
It’s been a little while.
I hope you are well.


Things in my world have gotten really, earth shaking.  Well more, tectonic shifting than shaking.  During this time, I’ve filmed two WebSets and abandoned both in the video editing stage.  There should be more coming but I am “reconfiguring” the setup I’m using.  Both sets had brand new songs, the dreamy “Four Leaf Clover” and the heart wrenching, gut spilling release of “Loved and Free”.  There’s lot’s of new material to be revealed, in addition to solo versions of songs from Follow the Feeling and Periscope.  If you don’t know the songs off these SoM studio “albums”, you should check ’em out.

I’m not gonna say too much right now but it looks like I’m finally manifesting a HUGE change I’ve been planning in my life for a long, long time.  Lots of thought, waiting, the natural end of a personal era, and recent events in my family, have all come together to align the stars in favor of a new chapter.  Though it will be a while before the new ways surface, this new chapter gives unprecedented room for the music.  So far, Seattle has gotten the majority of my performances whether with band or solo, but coming with this life change you may see me coming to your undisclosed West Coast town.  New things.  Ah so tasty and fresh.

OK.  Just wanted to give a small update.
Gotta go before I spend 4 hours in front of this computer.

Take care and keep up the good work 🙂

I thought this song was appropriate right about now…



I don’t give half a crap whether people smoke or not.
That said, I was out running errands the other day and I saw this…



So recently I engaged for the first time in something called the 20 Song Game.  It’s a songwriting exercise really. I had an absolute blast. I can’t begin to describe all the variations on the “rules” but basically this is how it works.

Two or more “players” individually try to write and record a demo of 20 songs in 12 hours.  20 songs, 12 hours. For us it was from 7am to 7pm. None of the material can be prewritten outside of the designated 12 hour period. No lyrics, no melodies, no chord progressions, no actual guts of the songs can be already written. You can’t just use ideas you’ve been “working on” and finish them. This gives you about 36 minutes for each song.  36 minutes. At the end of the day, everyone meets at someone’s house and you listen to the fruits of the day’s labor over beer n pizza, or salad and cheese dip, or maybe some hummus and marshmallows. Generally, laughter, awe and surprise ensue.

If you think for a moment about a challenge like this, it’s clear that the game serves many functions depending on the “player” and the day.  It’s like you manufacture a crisis to bring out action.  Hey, it works in politics so very well, maybe it works in creative pursuits too 😉  20SG was originally created for “frustrated” songwriters (which I don’t consider myself to be at all-what’s frustrating is my turtle pace methods of getting my music to you), to break writer’s block.  I learned so much in just one round of the game.  About perceived limitations, about keeping and allowing energy to flow steadily over many hours, and about just how much output is held back due to worrying about details that really don’t mean too much.  This high output, short time concept can work for tons of stuff outside of songwriting.  I met a painter who is organizing his own painting version after I told him about the game.  That’s a lot of paint and canvas.  You could do like a recipes version, or a business plan version, or invention (theory) version.

Here’s one of the tunes I wrote somewhere between 4 and 5pm I think.
Probably inspired by my love for the styles of João Gilberto.

This game was one of the coolest things I’ve done in years.
I can’t wait to do it again soon, this time with my friend Eric Miller who turned me onto the whole thing.

That Sunday, my alarm woke me at 6am, I rose, did my NSR, ate a little food, left my place at 7am, walked to a local coffee spot, voice recorder in tow. 2 blocks down the road I was already working on the first song, catching ideas. Some song about girls at the coffee shop… Funny enough there weren’t any there when I got there. Just a couple handsome dudes 😉 I sat outside with my espresso(s) for about an hour, generated two more song ideas and moseyed home to get to recording.

I’ve learned I love real deadlines when it comes to writing tunes. Half way through recording “Follow the Feeling” my first record for my band Son of Mars, Lesley (Bass n Vox in SoM), an awesome songwriter in her own right, started a monthly songwriters group meet up and we would play something we wrote in the last month.  I used that as an opportunity to write tunes in styles I’ve heard in my head for years but never had a context/incentive to write in.  Instrumentation written in my head, then using my voice to emulate the most of the instruments for the demo recording.  Most of it has been built around a beat and a bassline, then vocals, then guitar only if it’s needed to complete the sound.  For those who know the music I’ve shared with the public over the last few years, this is something outside my sonic box for sure.

Not every musical mind works the same but here is a little bit on how mine does and how that informed my experience with 20SG. I am blessed with tunes and melodies flowing through my head all day everyday basically, which I am thankful for.  It’s an essential part of my life. This is not a rare quality in humans at all as far as I can tell, so I’m not tootin’ any horns.  I always carry a voice recorder on me so that if one of those ideas persists in my mind, I can catch it like a fish in a net, and nurture it into completion, if it isn’t already complete when it “arrives”, like this one. All day long, tunes, beats, lyrics, sounds, whatever, arrive and are tossed aside, reabsorbing into the ether. Well coming from that sort of a place, the 20SG is an excuse to catch as many of those ideas as possible, throw a few more ideas on there and voila, songs.

Here’s another track from the game, When You’re Having Company.  Not so serious…

This lil tune, if you can call it that, was more a conceptual song than a traditional song.  I was thinking about how people were coming over to my place to listen to the songs of the day, and started it out as almost a skit, which then morphs into a few other aural spaces.  I looped the voice trumpets and drums and then improvised the whole thing live in one fell swoop via a mic, a guitar, and my RC-50 looper.

I got to 17 songs.  I lost track of how many I was at after 13 or so.  I’m gonna dare to post a song list for the stats people.  Watch out for some of these in the future… if that’s your thing.

  1. Brazen
  2. Smile with You
  3. Time Will Come
  4. Four Leaf Clover
  5. My Secret Plan
  6. Hadouken
  7. Not Tonight
  8. High Life
  9. Metal Mess
  10. D Groove
  11. Olive Oil Lamps (Ya Mon)
  12. When You’re Having Company [mp3 audio above]
  13. Super Power
  14. Fill Up My Cup [see the Youtube video above]
  15. I Love You
  16. 15 Minutes
  17. This Was Fun

By the end of the game, 7pm, I felt beautifully spent.  Brendan (Producer/Engineer, live drummer and more for SoM) was writing/playing over at his place and he called me up at about 7:10 to confirm we were meeting at my place at 8pm.  We could barely put sentences together.   After pushing ourselves to the limit (which is what this game pretty much does) and breaking through that limit repeatedly in the same day, we were in such a dream.  I’m taking a chance here, but for me, the best thing I can use to describe how it felt is to say it was like I had taken mushrooms that morning. At the end of the rare, planned, mushroom trip, for me, there is this joyous exhaustion. Mind, body, and soul have all had a workout together, in concert, and there is this satisfaction of output and energy flow.  Like after great sex.  Beautiful, rejuvenated exhaustion.  After my first 20SG, that is how I felt.  For the record, I did not partake during the game.  I couldn’t have produced so much if I had.  I am neither pro/anti experimentation with psychotropics.  It is a complicated thing to discuss and everyone is different. There is no one way to go for all.  Besafe, take care of, and Respect yourself folks.

Alright, I better stop.  If you’re still reading, I thank you 🙂  Fill Up My Cup and maybe one or two other songs from 20SG will be making their public debut this Sunday at the Hopvine where I’m playin a solo acoustic set.

Be well.
Be strong.
Let your natural intelligence shine.
Yes yours…